GSoW Squad Ranking - Discussion Topic

[DeathStriker]

Galactic Squads of War (GSoW) Squad Ranking

With GSoW Now Live there is lots of discusion about how Squads are Ranked on the new Squad Ranking Website.

FROM THE GSoW WEBSITE FAQ:

How do you determine the squad rankings? (Why isn’t it just winning %?)

TrueSkill™ is a ranking system developed at Microsoft Research that provides an algorithm we use for determining the relative strength between opponents. By factoring in the strength of matched opponents in addition to the outcome, the rankings reflect more than just wins and losses. It’s a more refined approach to determine how squads compare to one another.

How does the “Leagues” work?

GSoW now uses a league-based system for ranking. Squads will be divided in to leagues according to their combined base score (CBS). The leagues are aptly named after the conflict leagues in the game. Once the squads are divided into the leagues they are then ranked within those leagues based on their true skill points.

The CBS ranges are:


• Carbonite: 0 - 16,500
  
• Durasteel: 16,501 - 34,000
• Bronzium: 34,001 - 50,000
• Obsidian: 50,001 - 67,500
• Ultra Chrome: 67,501+
• The Sarlaac pit: Sandbagger squads are captured & confined here as they are slowly digested over thousands of years.

I expect this to be a popular / hot topic.

Let the discussion begin...

[DeathStriker]

When will we see the Improved War Predictor on GSoW?

Currently the War Predictor on GSoW only shows projected Rank Changes for Wins and Losses but not Non-45 Ties. In a 45-45 Tie there is No Rank Change.

The current GSoW War Predictor, shown when you click on Matchups Tab on Squad Info Dialog Pop-Up, has the follow sentence.

Look for the open squad war predictor in a future release.

So the questions are when will the "open squad war predictor" be released and will it include projected rank in a Non-45 Tie War?

Post comments below...

[Spock]

When will we see the Improved War Predictor on GSoW?

So the questions are when will the "open squad war predictor" be released and will it include projected rank in a Non-45 Tie War?

It will be released when it’s ready. We cant give a specific date for anything the same way we couldn’t give a date for the release of the site itself.

As for your other question, that is what we have planned but it still has to be worked out.

[DeathStriker]

It will be released when it’s ready. We cant give a specific date for anything the same way we couldn’t give a date for the release of the site itself.

As for your other question, that is what we have planned but it still has to be worked out.

Spock - Thanks for posting.

[Spock]

I want to take a min to remind everyone this is all being done by volunteers. In their spare time.
We are doing our best to gather and evaluate then prioritize every suggestion.
And there have been a ton! Some will happen. Some won’t.
I will add I think the team is doing great at this so far. Far better than the game this site was designed to enhance.

[Gooner]

I want to take a min to remind everyone this is all being done by volunteers. In their spare time.
We are doing our best to gather and evaluate then prioritize every suggestion.
And there have been a ton! Some will happen. Some won’t.
I will add I think the team is doing great at this so far. Far better than the game this site was designed to enhance.

I love the new site, and yourself Spock and the rest of the guys who are Involved their efforts are greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work guys.

[gnd]

When will we see the Improved War Predictor on GSoW?

Currently the War Predictor on GSoW only shows projected Rank Changes for Wins and Losses but not Non-45 Ties. In a 45-45 Tie there is No Rank Change.

The current GSoW War Predictor, shown when you click on Matchups Tab on Squad Info Dialog Pop-Up, has the follow sentence.

Look for the open squad war predictor in a future release.

So the questions are when will the "open squad war predictor" be released and will it include projected rank in a Non-45 Tie War?

Post comments below...

An interesting follow up question would be: Is the current war predictor based on the war party stats and the open one would be on the whole squad stats?

[Spock]

When will we see the Improved War Predictor on GSoW?

Currently the War Predictor on GSoW only shows projected Rank Changes for Wins and Losses but not Non-45 Ties. In a 45-45 Tie there is No Rank Change.

The current GSoW War Predictor, shown when you click on Matchups Tab on Squad Info Dialog Pop-Up, has the follow sentence.

Look for the open squad war predictor in a future release.

So the questions are when will the "open squad war predictor" be released and will it include projected rank in a Non-45 Tie War?

Post comments below...

An interesting follow up question would be: Is the current war predictor based on the war party stats and the open one would be on the whole squad stats?

The answer would be neither.
The predictor uses a squads true skill, mu and sigma to do its calculations. These don’t change based on who is currently in the squad or who is in the war itself.

The open predictor will be exactly the same but it will allow you to hypothetically predict against any squad. Not just the squad you are currently matched with.

[DarkRebel]

So shouldn’t ranking be based on Mu only ?
I just looked at the top 2 squads, PartyLikehavoc and Dark Brigade. They are in war against each other.
PLH is rank #1 by the system but the system predicted Dark Brigade to win. WTF !
It’s like the system doesn’t even trust its own ranking formula. LOL.

Another weird thing is that EVEN IF the number 2 squad manages to beat the number 1 squad, their rankings won’t chamge and PLH will still retain top ranking.

[Spock]

So shouldn’t ranking be based on Mu only ?
I just looked at the top 2 squads, PartyLikehavoc and Dark Brigade. They are in war against each other.
PLH is rank #1 by the system but the system predicted Dark Brigade to win. WTF !
It’s like the system doesn’t even trust its own ranking formula. LOL.

Another weird thing is that EVEN IF the number 2 squad manages to beat the number 1 squad, their rankings won’t chamge and PLH will still retain top ranking.

Haha. Maybe it should be. But it’s not our creation. We didn’t invent true skill, we just use it. Like any system there are pros and cons. And there are wonky results occasionally for extreme cases.
There are a few little things we can tweak with it though. The concern with doing that is the domino effect. But it’s something that is disused and not out of the realm of possibility.

There are links to how it all works and the impact of mu and sigma on results and predictions in the faq on our site.
But man, that’s some dry reading and I only know a few people who can make sense of it. I’m not one of them.